Allen, My name is Seana ( like Sean w/ an a on the end ). I'm new to the list. I read about your back & thought I might offer some advice. Constant pain is a terrible thing to live with. Years ago I read that Folic Acid is a analgesic that some say is better that Morphine or Codine based products( not least because it is not addictive & doesn't take more & more to help over time ). I had a friend with terribly painful canker sores & it was when I was looking for something to help her that I ran across this information. She tried folic acid to help get rid of the canker sores. I asked after a week or so if it was helping. She told me that they weren't going away but they weren't painful anymore. I went back to my book & lo & behold... folic acid is a pain killer of the first order. It does take some time to take effect sometimes but it might not hurt to try it. There is no known toxicity ( it's like vitamin C - you would have to take a lot for it to hurt you because what you don't need washes right through you ) so you can take it fairly often if needed & take a fair amount - although some people do have allergic skin reactions to it. I took it when I was going through a severely stressful time at work & was having trouble with my neck & shoulder being stiff. I felt it worked well for me. I was taking 4 - 400 mcg tablets or so about every 3-4 hours. I understand that you kind of have to take some & figure out how much works for you. I hope this helps. Happy Gardening Seana Ames Thornton, CO zone 5 or so they say From: Allen and Judy Merten <jbmerten@swbell.net> Reply-To: gardeners@globalgarden.com To: gardeners@globalgarden.com Subject: Re: [gardeners] Bastrop Gardening and OT stuff Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:49:40 -0600 Hi Martha, Same here with the grasshoppers. We have had the 3rd mild winter in a row. Last summer the grasshoppers were a plague. They would get on the birdfeeders and eat the sunflower seeds that I put out for the birds. I kept hoping for a flock of seagulls. I am going to get some ducks this spring. I have read that they are heck on grasshoppers. I know turkeys are. Maybe, we'll get turkeys, too. There is a BT type product for grasshoppers. I am going to use it this year. Thank you for the kind thoughts about my back. So far, I'm not impressed with the alleged super pain killer. Maybe the hype made me expect more. Allen Bastrop Co., SE Central Tx. Zone 8, where we have been setting record highs all month - 88* tops so far ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com