Diane, Nice to know you're out there. Seana I think that the Northeast needs some representation in this discussion. I live in Northampton Massachusetts, about 2 hours west of Boston, Zone 5. I'm 48, married, one daughter in college nearby. We live on one acre on a somewhat rural road on the outskirts of the city. The soil is so rocky on our land that all my vegetable gardening is done in raised beds. I presently have 22 sheep (they graze on a neighbor's farmland), lots of rabbits, an old golden retriever, a silky terrior, and a border collie/aussie puppy. I sing in an a capella group, am a beginning weaver, and will learn to handspin this spring. I work part-time as a pharmaceutical sales rep (detailing Advil, a good friend for gardeners!) I have to make hard choices about managing time, including my time online. I receive several hundred e-mails daily due to all of my interests. I tend to lurk on this list because I usually don't read the chatty threads. If the title of the thread contains a gardening topic that interests me I skim it. I've posted questions to the list and gotten good answers. Would I change the chattiness of the list if I could? Absolutely not. That's what gives it its charm. I know that I'm missing alot of wonderful posts by not reading more thoroughly. It's one of those hard choices I have to make. OK, back to lurkdom. Diane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com