Allen thank you so much for this description! I think I can now figure out what I have in my pastures. I do have some berry bushes usually no more than knee high. They are not on canes it is more like a vine kind of thing. This sounds like your dew berries. I also have berries on a cane that can get waist high but are droopy sometimes. I am guessing these are just plain blackberries. This is the best definition I have seen of these berries. May I please share them with the gardentalk group? Okie zone 7a aka " Ranchmama " ************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Merten" > we too are looking at a bumper crop of Dew > Berries. They are a close relative of Blackberries. Dew berries have a more > low growing habit, usually close to the ground unless something gets in the > way. The Dew Berry Vine will then climb over or onto the object it reaches, > like a fence, fallen limb, low growing shrub, etc. > Black Berries that I am familiar with are more upright with thick canes > that grow up, out and then arc downward. > Both berries are a Southern favorite for pies, jellies, jams, toppings, > juice, and wine. The berry is sweetest and juiciest early in the morning > when the "dew" is still on the ground. Ripe stage is black. The berry starts > out green, changes to red, red & black, then black. I like to mix some red & > black berries with the ripe black ones for a little tart taste to go along > with the sweet taste of the ripe berries. Ratio of 4 cups of ripe berries to > 1 cup of partially ripe, red and black berries. > Allen, famous maker of home made Dew Berry pie > Bastrop Co., SE Central Tx. > Zone 8 > >