Ron, About those tobacco budworms: Insecticides containing Bacillus thuringiensis/Bt (Thuricide, Dipel, etc.) are effective biological controls when used on some plants, but not really on geraniums. You might want to plant some petunias as a trap crop...and spray them with Bt. The budworms eat more of the flower surface on petunias, and ingest Bt as they nosh. http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/PUBS/INSECT/05581.html http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/TRA/PLANTS/gbworm.html Eggs are deposited on leaves and buds: subspherical with a flattened base, about 0.6 mm in diameter, and white or cream in color. They develop a reddish-brown band just prior to hatching. Hatchlings eat leaf material for a couple of days, then move into buds. http://ipmwww.ncsu.edu/AG271/tobacco/budworms.html Parasitic wasps are predators, Campoletis sonorensis, Cardiochiles nigriceps, and several Polistes spp. paper wasps. Several diseases, including the microsporidian Nosema heliothidis Lutz and Spendor, also reduce budworm populations. Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsett@blueriver.net A root is a flower that disdains fame.