No, not that. Just plain trying to grow them. Forget the annual attempts to start a few Roma pole beans. All Burpee seed: no doubt there's better, but if it's this bad how could they keep selling it year after year without a peep of protest? Early Bush Italian, Roma Bush, French Filet beans. Six seeds each sown one per 3.5" pot of Stronglite bark based mix. With careful attention to bringing the flat inside for cool weather or at least sticking it in the truck cab overnight. Sprouted three each of Romano & French, no Early. Replanting gaps with 2 seeds/pot in home made peat:perlite:perlite mix brought the count up to six French, five Roma and three Early (two severely stunted, one of which would not survive). All set out, now blooming. Extended the row by direct-seeding two reps of 3 seeds/hill of each of the 3 cvv. Of which two hills have sprouted two and three plants of Roma and Early respectively and two more showed signs of sprouting which disappeared despite hot sunny days, two good rains and enough watering to prevent the soil ever crusting. BTW, 5 for 18 is as good or better than I've ever done with direct-seeded Romano pole bean seed. Plus a few nights even into the 40's, but that's (almost) typical of Kansas in July. Anyway, fer catsake, beans grow in the Sonoran desert. Lewis and Clark ate Sioux or Mandan-grown beans in Dakota. They can't be this hard to grow, right? Or is that just what to expect from selected varieties - that they should be about the most intractable large seeds (of maybe 100+) that I've ever tried to grow?