George, that sounds reasonable. Perhaps the underexposed photos will give us something more concrete than my excited memory to go on. We shall see. Your description does seem close ..... For two days now we are chsing down yet another phantom -- my big ririgation controller in the garage was able to water all 6 lawn areas on command, should I need it, but very suddenly, the 2nd six of all shrubbery zones, would not turn on. Panic -- here i was digging out some exotic graniums which I had started a year ago, to save indoors over the winter, and I discovered that the soil was totally devoid of moisture. The test run on the clock told us, "open circuit". That's good detective work for them, but where do we start? Jimmie started pulling off wires and doing his hocus-pocus with the voltmeter, but it still would not run, and i was paranoid that he would never remember just where to remake all the connections! After 3-1/2 hours, we quit for the night. While i was out at a quilt show this morning with #4 daughter, Jim attacked the problem anew... He had reasoned that some common wire was disabled, even EYE had reasoned that much, so he took himself out front to the in-ground boxes, and took apart all the connections to those 6 errant valves. Thank heavens I wasn't here, watching!!! Bottom line, he did find corrosion in a common line connector, and has cleaned it all up, so we are ready to go try everything once again. Naturally, just to confound us, the lawn sprinklers turned themselves on 3 hours late this morning. That can only happen with human intervention. Not only that, but we don't need the spinklers at this season, so how did they get enabled in the first place..? It's a puzzlement. And here it is Oct.14th, and I have harvested exactly 14 raspberries from the big patch. 10,400 more have not ripened, and will never ripen before we get slammed with a killing frost. What is Nature doing to us this summer...?? In fact I could say: What Summer??? Penny, NY ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.