>I'm in Raleigh, zone 7a > > >Your hometown? > >Craig Watts >kingdomm@worldnet.att.net I'm in Raleigh, but way out toward the edge of Wake County. It's interesting that when we moved from Durham to mid-Raleigh, we noticed a HUGE difference in the planting times, times the leaves fall, and the low temps during the winter - Durham seems to be on the edge of a colder, more northern pattern. Then when we moved out here in the county, there was another (though slighter) change. It's south, so it makes sense that it's milder. It was hard to get used to, though! billie Billie Hinton mzdc@mindspring.com