I've had good brand canning flats that were visibly defective. The rubber seal on one side drew to a narrow line. I'd be suspicious of cheap flats. DH recently bought cheap envelopes. Instead of a strip of glue about 3/8 inch wide, the glue was 1/8 inch wide. They don't seal and hold. Margaret L At 08:54 AM 7/16/01 -0500, you wrote: >In OG magazine the classified section has an ad for canning lids in >bulk. Gardener's Kitchen www.canninglidsusa.com >I just went there and the links to their order page don't work so >you'd have to call them or write. >(I was just curious about how much a bulk buy would save over >grocery store prices.) >Gardener's Kitchen >Box 322-OG07 >Monument Beach, MA 02553 >Martha, (Texas) >Visit our Paso Fino Club: www.TxPFHA.org >Visit our farm:www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/5505/index.html