Thanks ML , This time when I did a google search, it came up with 2 news ones on wasp. One from South Africa says there are over 60,000 spub species of wasp. A US website says there are over 8,000 sub species. No wonder I can't find the exact one. http://eny3005.ifas.ufl.edu/lab1/Hymenoptera/Hymenoptera.htm Now, who asked the question?? Back to the bugs. Byron