Re: [gardeners] ????

Martha Brown (
Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:57:47 -0500

The base closing were just an example-- the point is no one has been
stepping up to have a fit when defense spending  is cut.  But try cutting
spending for education, farm subsidies or other benefits.  If  America wants
to be safe we are going to have to be willing to pay the price both
monetarily and in personal inconvenience not to mention the loss of life
military action will entail.


----- Original Message -----
From: "George Shirley" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [gardeners] ????

The military is asking for the latest round of base closings and they are
being fought by the pork
barrel politicians. There are a number of bases in the US that have no
earthly role in the military
today but are still open because the civilian jobs on them mean votes for
politicians. It doesn't
mean the military is being downsized, just the useless bases, generally left
over from the forties
or before, are being shutdown. Old military bases are like old houses, there
comes a point when
tearing them down is more economical than rebuilding them. The difference is
that an old house can
still provide shelter but an old base no longer has a reason for existing.
Senator Byrd was really
bad about pork barrel projects of this type and for building new federal
buildings way out in the


Martha Brown wrote:
> Perhaps the American people need to re-assess what they are willing to
> versus how much they are willing to pay for security.  Was the money saved
> and the restrictions placed on them over the past few years of military
> intelligence downsizing worth the thousands of lives that might have been
> saved on Tuesday if the intelligence resources of the cold war had still
> been in place?
> Facts are people:
> Even for people on "Watched" lists you have to have the monetary and human
> resources to do the necessary watching.
> There has been talk recently that there would be additional military base
> closings (which I'm sure won't happen in the short term now ).   Have the
> people who are complaining about the lack of prior knowledge about this
> of terrorism been as vocal about not doing further downsizing of our
> military?   If so I haven't heard them.
> As one official who was being interviewed said  something to the effect
> maybe now the American people will realize the most important
> of the American government is our physical protection from those who wish
> harm not education, healthcare or the solvency of the social security
> program.
> Martha
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janni" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [gardeners] ????
> No. Too many involved, too many insiders involved (MHO). Since a call to
> one of the suspected cells to another cell congratulating themselves on
> 'deed' makes me think they were already tapped. Don't forget, most of
> animals were on the FBI's "Watch List". Fat good that did.
> Janni
> At 10:18 AM 9/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >I toss in another question.
> >
> >Do you think that the "Old School"
> >wire taps of suspect persons might
> >have prevented this??
> >
> >Byron
> >
> >
> >
> >AOL and Earthlink. Apparently the terrorists were sending messages
> >those ISP's. What do
> >y'all think, invasion of privacy or necessary evil?
> >
> >George