Still no frost! Our normal official first frost date is Oct 15. Extended forcast show no fear of frost for at least the next 10 days. All the tropicals are in for the winter. The house is officially trashed. Working inside today and tomorrow to try to make some sense of it. Gave away a number of nice large ferns and a majesty palm and a few nice cordylines. Just didn't have any more room and hated to see them die. The pond is netted, the backyard seems empty now. Next week I'll be able to move the rest of the pots. Waiting to rake the leaves and start mulching them in a trash can. Hope to get around to buying the small chipper next year. DOes anyone know if Cordyline (Hawaiian Ti) is root hardy in northern zone 8? We have plenty of elephant ears and hardy ginger coming back every year. Good Gardening Matt in Norfolk, Va. USDA zone 8 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/