Penny and all: Crate (cage) training a dog is the kindest thing you can do for he/she. My dogs are integral parts of my household. They are also crate trained. They sleep in their crates every night by choice - they are old enough now that I leave the doors open. They take many of their naps in the crate (when not on the couch)! The theory behind crate training is that dogs need a "den." A place of their own. You start using a crate to housebreak a puppy and so the puppy won't get electrocuted (or something) when you're gone. Of course, Eliza, my 3-year old puppy, bit through my fax cord when she was 8 months old. Knocked her across the room.......didn't do any damage. And I was home! Dogs like their crates to have their familiar bedding and blankets and a chew toy. They also want them backed up against something solid - as it makes them feel secure. The trick is NOT to use a crate for punishment. That isn't what it's for. If a dog associates a crate with punishment, he/she won't have the "den" they need. A tap on the nose with a rolled up newspaper is all the punishment most dogs ever need - if you do it IMMEDIATELY after they do something wrong. and they know WHAT they did wrong!! When you need a dog to have some quiet time (or at Thanksgiving dinner!!), give he/she a good treat, a blanket, and a chew toy and make the crate fun. When you go check on them, they'll probably be asleep! I have two dogs now - Eliza, a Cardigan Welsh Corgi and Murphy, a rescue who is half German Shepherd, half Collie. They RACE to see who can make it to their crates first at bedtime every night! They don't move until I get up the next day - even with the doors open. I leave Murphy's door open largely because he's my guard dog. Believe me, no one could get past him to me! For YEARS, I thought the same as you - that crating a dog was terrible! Until I got my 3 original Welsh Corgis in 1985. The breeder recommended crates - so I tried them. The corgis were then SO easy to raise and corgis are stubborn and smart little rascals. After that, I was a crate convert! :) Right now, Murphy, my big, tough (90 lbs), guard dog is sleeping like a baby in his crate - his before dinner nap. Went in there on his own. Eliza, my 28 pound Cardigan Welsh Corgi, is outside in the 35 degree weather and sleet, guarding! If I don't put Eliza to bed, in her crate, by 10 p.m. at night, she puts herself to bed. She spends all day keeping up with Murphy, my special dog, a dog 3 times her size and with legs 5 times as long! Murphy, my rescue, is 6 years old though I've only had him 1.5 years. He was terribly, horribly abused before he came to me. Murphy has come to see his crate as security - and he needed security badly. Most of the scars are gone now though the emotional scars remain. Most days his eyes are clear and happy. Only sometimes do I think he's thinking about his previous life. It's taken Murphy and I LOTS of work to get to this point. He is still TERRIFIED of men - and, unfortunately, I doubt that will ever change. Well, I didn't mean to write a book.........but I'm a writer so forgive me! :) Just wanted everyone to hear another perspective on crate training as I think it's the best thing for our best friends since sliced bread! :) I think we DO use crates for human children - they are called playpens! :) Seriously, making a child take "quiet time" is the same as crating a dog. Your Thanksgiving plans sound wonderful! Rosemary, on a mountain in Eastern KY with snow and sleet ----- Original Message ----- From: <pennyx1@juno.com> To: <gardeners@globalgarden.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [gardeners] Getting ready already > George, how many will be coming on Sunday? How young is the baby? > > We traditionally use yams for our holiday casserole -- they are > naturally sweeter, I believe. Do you prefer the paler 'sweet potatoes'..? > And is that rather a universal choice down south? Nothing finer than a > well baked yam split open with butter and salt --- oh, yessss..... > > Our original family of 23 (plus 4 dogs who had to be locked in > separate bedrooms..) is now down to 12, with one canine who keeps > getting into trouble and is sent to his cage... Never could figure out > that cage bit -- it hits me as cruelty above and beyond. And what's > more, if the world has now decided that the cage should be used for > punishment and for sleeping hours, then what's the matter with using > it for the children..? We had one great nephew who always insisted > upon tormenting my young grandson -- sticking his foot out to trip him, > you know the kind. I would have gladly hit him over the head with a > cast iron frying pan, to put him out of commission, but I was > restrained by Jimmie. Had I the choice of ordering him into his cage, > I would have done it with alacrity -- and every year, at that! > > As usual, Cousin Dick continues his assignment of bringing enough hors > d'oeuvres for everyone. When his wife was alive, they would concoct > all sorts of yummies as a team, and we had 6-story baloney & cream > cheese triangles; a large eggplant studded with tooth picks full of > rollups of various kinds; devilled eggs, both curried and plain; many > cheeses with many crackers; and sometimes things like goat cheese > from Norway... Now that he is alone, he still makes up the devilled > eggs, and supplements the feast with lots of dips and cheeses from > Trader Joe's. It's fun. > > The hostess, Cousin Judy, always makes the turkey and stuffing, > the yams, cole slaw or a salad, and her very special cheese cake. > Her daughter, Laura, now a college freshman, is the brownie > specialist. > > Penny brings at least 3 cakes -- they all used to be home made, > such as pineapple upside down, lemon chiffon pie with graham > cracker crust, sand torte with corn starch instead of flour (for the > allergic), and such. After 50 years of doing this, I discovered that > they all were just as happy with good store-boughten cakes, and so > that's what they get. I do bring along a gallon casserole of curried > canned fruits, yummy, yum -- peaches, pears, mandarin oranges, > sometimes apricots, sometimes green grapes, covered with a > sauce of mixed brown sugar and curry, and baked for an hour. > > Cousins Marion and Leona bring wine, enough to go around just > fine. > > It's a help-yourself from the sideboard dinner, after all the nibbelungen > > and daiquiries first in the living room, and then comes the big surprise: > nobody has to stay to do the dishes. Judy and Al and Laura beg us to > allow them to do it themselves. Terrific! > > The trick is staying awake for the hour's ride home on a holiday night. > T'aint easy. > > Happy Holiday, all of you -- and we'd love to hear how you celebrate! > > > Penny, NY > > > > . > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com >