Penny, There are lots of ground covers that could go under the roses that either bloom at different times or are more neutral in colors. The creeping phlox I have used blooms just before the New Dawn rose in the same bed. Ajuga and sedums comes in a variety to colors that would provide shade for the clematis roots and not compete with the rose blossoms. I have also heard of several people who like to plant Million Bells Terracotta under their roses. These are just a few suggestions. I hope they help. Terry -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of email@example.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 9:16 PM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: [gardeners] Clematis Hello, Terry -- I'll have to become inventive this summer. The clematis have been planted at the back of my rose bed, climbing up the railings of my back porch. The only way I had managed to provide shade at the roots was to stand some tall stones in front of them. I didn't want to put ground covers in there because they would have detracted from the impact of the roses, or so I thought. I shall have to give this project some studious thought ..... Penny, NY . ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!