>> But one thing that has always baffled me are these people who say they have 50 or more tomato plants... if they are growing that many plants, they must be swimming in that suff every year or they are selling a lot of tomato's.<< I wouldn't want to further confuse you so please be aware that I supply about 20 neighborhood families with tomatoes (free) and send several bushels a week to the Nursing Home where my wife works. We can about 50 quarts of fruit as well as juice and I barter for all of the rest of our vegetables at produce stands and farmers' markets. In addition I have been sending free seed of heirloom tomatoes all over the world for several years. The only thing that has changed is that recently things got to the point where I had to either charge a small fee or stop sending out seed. Last year I sent out over 3,000 packets of tomato seed at no charge to anybody and my bank account showed it. As a result I have opened a web site and market seed at a whole dollar a pack from it. That's about half the going rate from catalogs and my list is more complete as far as open pollinated than any other retail source I know of. It is my understanding that gardeners have been putting VAM fungi on crops since Agriculture began. The raw material is manure, isn't it. How did your friend discover a way to distill it? I, for one, am tired of this encessant sales pitch and hope you feel you have made your point. I will use manure as I always have to activate the fungi in my soil. Good gardening, Chuck Wyatt