A couple of thoughts. First, I am the guy who started this with my observations on using red plastic mulch (not impressed and don't plan to use it again). Personally, I don't have any aesthetic objections to it, but then, what do I know about aesthetics. If my wife's constant observations on the aesthetics of my gardening area are any way near accurate, it is clear that I am aesthetically challenged. Actually though, I didn't think the plastic looked all that bad. It was kind of ugly early in the season, but as the plants grew, I could hardly notice it. I have given some thought to why plastic mulch seems to work so well for the farmers I know and why I had such a negative experience. I concluded it has to do with the fact that we have different needs and that the cultural practices they use to meet their needs will not work for mine. They use determinate hybrids, spray to prevent disease, and do not have the time to weed acres of tomatoes. They need to have a predictable quantity of tomatoes ready at a predetermined time. My needs are different and next year it is back to heavy mulching with whatever organic material I happen to have or can acquire easily and cheaply. Regarding hay bales as a compost bin wall. I started using wood pallets (available free everywhere) and am pleased. I simply prop them up, drive a metal post behind each pallet, and fill. It is easy to expand, move, etc. If I can not find pallets with narrow openings, I simply slip a piece of old fencing (which just happen to be laying around my asthetically challenged gardening area)over the pallet. Bill McKay in E. Massachusetts >4) This is just a general query. Doesn't anyone have any aesthetic >objections to bright colored plastic mulches? Unless one's gardening is >heavily scientific, or totally production oriented, isn't the sight of >glaring orange underpinnings to the plants displeasing to anyone else but >me? > A friend gave me some of the orange plastic, I put it around some tomato >plants, and within a week pulled it off. > >Thanks for any and all thoughts about these questions-- > >Aulaire > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com