Luke wrote ; think there was an old English saying that went like this . " A Woman A Dog A Walnut Tree A Beating for the better off they Be " No Flames please , Kind of think it related to Putting the Walnut Tree in Stress so that it would Send out Acorns . May I suggest to Shad that he Use a Sate stick rather than the General type of Cane our Teachers used as I think that one Whack from one of those suckers and its {the Chile Plant} dead <G>... Never owned a Walnut tree ,but I have had women and dogs ,one would have hit me back and the Rotweiller would have bit me ,so I can't comment on the effectiveness of the aforementioned procedure ....having never been stoopid enough to try it ! MORE ON TOPIC Going down to Visit M Bailes for his Chile Festival this Weekend , 210 varieties of Chile and only been in training for 30 yrs ... Taking whats left of Jim Cambells-Apple Smoked Habanero Flakes ,not much I might Add and a couple of Small spoonfuls of Calvins Powder .. Couple of bottles of Red Wine -Bailesy will have to supply the Cerveza Will also take some Sauces that I got From Lorraine And Kay ,May not open them but I'll take them <g> .. Luke In OZ