I too hate frames. On topic - I've decided to do most of my pepper gardening in pots from now on. Even though my bed garden is only 30 feet from the back door, I'm finding that I have much better control over my plants if they are potted and sitting on the deck. My potted habs are several inches taller than the ones in the bed. I guess the TLC may come a little easier when I'm immediately surround by El Grande's munificence. Kevin Crooks