We have been sampling Da' Bomb for quite some time. Our best estimate is that it's somewhere around 60,000 Scoville, with Dave's Insanity around 50,000. We also put it on toothpicks. Most people take a taste, say that's not too hot, then the chipotles grab the back of their tongue. Usually they gasp a little bit. Then the pepper concentrate gets hold of their entire mouth. Now they're sweating (or swearing in some cases) and asking if we have any milk! Most people leave coughing and choking. But with a bottle of Da' Bomb in hand... The first ingredient is orange juice, which I think may accentuate the heat level. Curt -- Curt & Susie Snyder Hot's Desire 3137 Mira Mesa Ave. Spicy foods and hot sauces Oceanside, CA 92056 by mail order! Now open at Plaza Camino Real in Carlsbad, CA! mailto:hotsdesr@deltanet.com 1-800-381-4687 http://www.machines.com/hotsdesr