If you fit this catagory, I Have a couple tips for you 1 Can of Beer 8 oz Ammonia 1 TBSP Dish soap Add water to a 20 gal hose end sprayer, Apply in AM, see difference in PM He also has a Compost Accerator (which works better for me) 1 can cola (cheap but not diet) 1 cup dishsoap 1 can of beer (12 oz) Add to 20 gal hose end sprayer and fill with water. In both of the above formula's I found that using the bottom of my fermenting bucket, my bottleling bucket, and bottom of bottles (using single stage fermentation). The homebrew is still better than Bud(Yuk) I save it it a 22 oz flip-top. The above stuff should keep the OG growers happy Byron