Margaret Your note on Jerry Bakers BS not being organic Since I make my own beer, the contents are 1. Barley Malt, the last I knew barley is a grain and there for a plant 2. cheap beers like Bud use rice malt, rice is also from a plant 3. Also used is corn sugar, That dextrose derived from corn, also a plant 4. Hops, Hops are also a plant growing 12 to 20 ft tall. 5 Water 6. Home brews are made with yeast for carbonation and flavor. the last I knew yeast was also considered organic Cola 1 Contains food coloring and flavoring from plants 2. sugar 3. water 4 Carbon dioxide So far I can not see anything inorganic Ammonia. If I remember correctly chemical formula is NOH. I could follow a cow around with a bucket and collect some urine, I could extract the ammonia from it. This ammonia would be in the form of NOH Or I can reach under by kitchen sink and grab a bottle of ammonia which is also NOH, A lot easier. and less time consumming. If you don't like dish soap then use baby shampoo or castelle soap or if you want to spend the extra money, use Safers Insecticidal Soap or a Horticultrual Spreader slicker. Some of Jerry Bakers formulas give some of us gardeners a third option. Which sometimes works better for some that the Chemical or organic methods. This is where I stand. Before using Jerry Bakers, esp bug spray, I planted 24 tomatoes, 36 ea Broccoli, cauliflower, 12 Brussel sprouts 12 cabbage 36 Bell peppers 100 ft of row of carrots 100ft of row; beets 100 ft row of beans 50 ft row of parsnips Now I plant 8 tomatoes 12 broccoli 12 cauliflower 6 sprouts 6 cabbage 15ft row carrots 15 ft row beets 15 ft row beans 15 ft row of parsnips 6 bell peppers 30 ft row shallots 30ft row peas I am now putting up almost twice as many veggies. with less than 1/3 the plants This also left me enough room to grow 120 hot pepper plants. which I didn't have before. When you have to buy a second freezer to put everything in, I think the method is successful. I post some of his formula's for those who might want to try a different method. Because its posted doesn't mean they have to use it. It's their choice. I also believe its my freedom of speech to be able to voice a different opinion. Byron