Well, all, on a completely diferent subject, about two weeks ago I came down with an inflamed bursa in the left shoulder....perhaps my ph got outta wack....anyway after putting up(sorta)with this for that long, I suddenly remember my Capsaicin topical analgesic cream and decided to give that a try(warning, wear a glove or suffer Hunan hand)Well, I slathered it on the whole shoulder,twice a day for about a week, and it may be all in my head, but it aint in my shoulder anymore, which is the important thing....not a medical recommend, nor do I have anything to do with the outfit that sells it, which is Equate, which is a WalMart do I think, at least that is where I obtained it. Also, Rael, I do not suggest this as a massage cream!!! It sure do heat up the affected part, however, and it worked, more importantly. I seem to remember this being discussed last year, or the year before, but I did not buy it until a few months ago, for my better half, who has a touch of arthritis in one wrist. No affiliation, etc etc, just one really satisfied user...well Tom? Cheers, Doug in BC