> Okay so maybe it is in the mid-nineties and almost July, but I have been I hate to tell you, but it's already late-nineties :-) > I was thinking - what if I made a cold frame and ran some of that > pipe warming tape around inside it for night time? Do you think its > possible I could keep the plants outside year round? Sure, why not. A simple covering of 3mil, or whatever it is, greenhouse polyethelene film gives at least 5 degrees of frost protection in my location, like when I covered the patio with that stuff. Then, when I (pretty loosely I'm afraid) wrapped the film around the sides also during winter, I've gotten at least 7-10 degrees of protection without any added source of heat at all, and even though the cold wind still blows through to some extent. This amount of frost protection has been plenty enough to keep almost everything alive during winter, and certainly all chiles, if perhaps in suspended animation until Spring arrives. To keep your chile plants alive over winter, all you have to do is provide enough protection to keep hardy varieties like C. baccatum and C. pubescens above 32 F., and higher temps than about 40 F or so for those darn habaneros and other such finicky types. But make no mistake, even the hardiest don't like temps to be continuously so low, and the warmer temps they get, even if only some of the time during daytime, the more likelihood they'll retain the will to live. Anyway, to keep them in production during winter, C. pubescens plants would surely need at least 40 degrees F. nighttime minimum temps, and probably more like about 50 F. minimum. Many C. baccatum cultivars would probably do with only moderately higher temps, and even some C. annuum cultivars also (e.g. most of my cayennes continue to bloom in winter until bad frosts finally stop them dead). But most C. annuum, frutuscens, and especially chinense I would imagine, need higher temps to continue blooming, bearing, and ripening. --- Brent