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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:33:57 -0700
From: DON_DILLON@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com
Subject: [CH] source for habaneros

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Can anybody help me locate a source for qauntities of habaneros
in the northern california area?

thanks


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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:46:04 -0600
From: Meghan Fay <meghan@wildrockies.org> (by way of S. L. Gregerson)
Subject: [CH] Last Chance for Yellowstone's Wild Buffalo--Support Plan B

We need some intelligent, well thought out comments sent in.
Thanks- sg


The Ecology Center, Inc.
801 Sherwood, Suite B
Missoula, MT 59802
(406) 728-5733
(406) 728-9432 fax
ecocenter@wildrockies.org

Ecology Center Position Paper on the DEIS for Buffalo Management

July 22, 1998

Dear Friends of the Buffalo:

The Ecology Center, through its analysis of the Interagency Bison
Management Plan for the State of Montana and Yellowstone National Park
(released June 5), has concluded that the DEIS is fatally flawed.
Unfortunately, the lead agencies (State of Montana, US Forest Service,
National Park Service and the Animal Plant and Health Inspection Service
[APHIS], a cooperating agency), chose to prefer a harsh management plan
that jeopardizes the buffalo.

First off, our criticism centers around basic issues of noncompliance wit=
h
NEPA:

* the DEIS's failure to properly address purpose and need;
* lack of a true "no-action alternative";
* lack of presentation of the full range of reasonable alternatives.

The DEIS's alternatives all are unacceptable because they all:

* restrict buffalo from their traditional habitat and winter range;
* contain extreme management techniques that ultimately will result in th=
e
domestication of this herd;
* serve to placate the cattle industry's single-minded drive to decimate
the buffalo--an animal they see as symbolic of everything wrong with the
federal government.

Our criticisms extend to other issues:

* the plan's inhumane treatment of buffalo--treating them as livestock, n=
ot
wildlife;
* expense --the DEIS throws millions of dollars at a problem, that could =
be
addressed by much more cost effective means, created by the cattle, and
will further grease the "welfare cowboys'" pockets at the expense of the
buffalo and the taxpayer;
* lack of conclusive research surrounding the brucellosis issue.  There h=
as
been no risk assessment or cost benefit analysis completed by the DEIS
Inter-Agency Team.
* impacts on threatened, endangered, and sensitive species, and other wil=
dlife;

Please look through the following material that expands on our criticisms=

of the DEIS.  Our hope is that the DEIS's authors will return to the
drawing board and write a final EIS and an Alternative that the public wi=
ll
support, and the courts uphold--a Plan that puts the interests of the
buffalo first. We currently support the development of an Alternative tha=
t
incorporates the elements of Plan B, the Buffalo's Alternative.  This
Alternative is not included in the DEIS but is in compliance with the
purpose and need of the DEIS unlike the other alternatives.

We need all the support we can get to ensure that the future of the
Yellowstone buffalo will remain the wild free-ranging herd for generation=
s
to come.

Sincerely,

Meghan Fay
Ecosystem Defense
Ecology Center
meghan@wildrockies.org

 Analysis of the DEIS


DEIS's Failure to Properly Address Purpose and Need
If the purpose of DEIS is to "address the risk of the brucellosis
transmission," then the agencies first need to stop focusing on buffalo a=
nd
address all species that carry this disease.  The actions that the DEIS
takes to address the risk of brucellosis does not fit the purpose
statement.  The actual risk of brucellosis is scientifically unknown.  Th=
e
DEIS also plans for strict control over the buffalo in all alternatives,
using hazing, marking, capture and quarantine facilities, and
inoculation--all management techniques at odds with the DEIS's stated
purpose of "maintaining a wild bison herd."  The inter-agency team even
defined "wild bison herd" as one that is not routinely handled by humans.=

This goes against management techniques which the government proposes.

Lack of No-Action Alternative
The no-action alternative, which basically implements the Interim Bison
Management Plan (revised in 1996), is not a true no-action alternative.
The Interim Plan was responsible for the death of over 1,084 buffalo duri=
ng
the winter of 1996-97, in addition to natural deaths.  The winter of
1988-89 also proved to be an unfavorable year for buffalo with a death to=
ll
of 569.  1994-95 and 1995-1996 followed with a total of 860 buffalo kille=
d.
Further use of this plan only would slaughter more and more buffalo each
year.  The proposed no-action alternative does not uphold the purpose and=

need of this DEIS, and does not offer the public a true no-action
alternative.  A true no-action alternative would allow buffalo to occupy
traditional grazing land undisturbed by agency actions.

Buffalo Management
Buffalo have always roamed Yellowstone National Park undisturbed, and thi=
s
is largest and oldest free-ranging population of buffalo in the United
States.  The Montana Department of Livestock (DOL) has been the main
authority in charge of the management of the Yellowstone buffalo for too
long.  From the management techniques that the DOL uses, the buffalo have=

been captured, corralled, shocked with cattle prongs, and loaded on truck=
s
to be taken to slaughter houses.  This inhumane treatment causes injuries=

to the buffalo and sometimes death while being handled and transported.
Continuing the DOL's management of buffalo will eventually domesticate
them, killing off the oldest remaining populations of wild buffalo.  The
Yellowstone buffalo are wildlife and should be treated like all other
wildlife in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem (GYE).  The DEIS states tha=
t
in each alternative the buffalo would be continued to be managed by the
DOL, a serious conflict of interest.  The management needs to be turned
back over to the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife, and Parks.  The
buffalo need to be treated and classified as wildlife in the state of
Montana.  Buffalo are NOT cattle.

The DEIS must look at plans that have minimal impacts on buffalo and othe=
r
wildlife.  If the Yellowstone buffalo are to remain a dynamic population,=

then protective measures need to be taken that will ensure that the herd'=
s
wildness is protected.

Quarantining Buffalo
The Inter-Agency Buffalo Management Team thinks that the quarantine of
Yellowstone Buffalo will only affect "individual buffalo."  Not true--the=

whole buffalo herd would be affected if quarantine is approved.  "By
quarantining, family members will be separated.  Social structures will b=
e
destroyed or severely disrupted.  Natural patterns of land use may be
broken.  And, knowledge that is normally passed on from generation to
generation within the herd may be lost,"  states Virginia Ravndal, wildli=
fe
biologist.  Some buffalo would be held in quarantine for up to four years=
,
breaking their wild spirit.  The State of Montana claims that the
quarantine will be one of the disease management tools.  The real purpose=

of quarantining the Yellowstone buffalo is to ensure that buffalo do not
roam free so they won't cause problems for livestock grazing on public
lands bordering the park.  The quarantine facilities used would be nothin=
g
more than a feed lot.

Definition of Risk
The DEIS claims that because the Yellowstone buffalo carry brucellosis,
cattle are at risk of contracting the disease.  The DEIS presents no
conclusive scientific research that determines exactly what the risk is,
and there haven't been any documented cases of transmission between cattl=
e
and buffalo in the wild.  How can the agencies manage the risk of disease=

transmission when they don't even know what level of risk, if any, there
is.

All the management tools in each alternative have not been approved yet b=
y
the agencies and never may be.  The DEIS assumes that these actions will =
be
approved.  Quarantine facilities require that an Environmental Assessment=

be released for public comment, this would be delayed of course (it took
the Inter-Agency eight years to put out the DEIS).

Effects on Endangered, Threatened, Sensitive, and other Wildlife Species
The DEIS states that the preferred alternative would have adverse impacts=

on buffalo, as well as wildlife species including the grizzly bear and gr=
ay
wolf.  The Stephens Creek buffalo capture facility, located at the northe=
rn
entrance to Yellowstone National Park, already has caused adverse impacts=

to the pronghorn antelope population, blocking migration patterns and
causing confusion when they flee from predators.  This facility would sti=
ll
be used in the preferred alternative, causing further disturbances in the=

pronghorn antelope population.

The methods for keeping buffalo in the designated special management area=
s
(SMA's) would include hazing by the use of helicopters, cracker barrels, =
or
horseback.  The use of helicopter hazing this last spring violated bald
eagle closure areas, and nesting areas were disturbed.  These methods hav=
e
and will impact bald eagles and other endangered, threatened, or sensitiv=
e
species.

If Alternative 6 was used by the agencies, there would be construction of=
 a
capture/quarantine facility in a trumpeter swan nesting area.  The DEIS
claims that "this species may be affected by the location and operation o=
f
buffalo management facilities..."  Trumpeter swans are a sensitive specie=
s,
and there has been a decrease in population due to the amount of habitat
available to these birds.  There would be a disturbance of habitat and th=
e
agencies should not risk putting these birds under stress by taking their=

critical habitat.

If the Inter-agency DEIS team truly believes that their plan would be
likely to adversely affect the grizzly bear, then they should request a
formal consultation from the US Fish and Wildlife Services.  The proposed=

buffalo management project is located within the Greater Bear Recovery
Zone.  The area is located almost entirely within management area
Management Situation 1 (MS1), which contains grizzly population centers.
"MS1 are areas key to the survival of grizzlies where seasonal and year
long activity, under natural, free-ranging conditions... [containing]
habitat components needed for the survival and recovery of the species or=
 a
segment of its population."  This statement in the DEIS does not justify
how the inter-agency team is able to go on with any of the proposed plans=

when grizzly bear habitat is being disrupted.

The potential land acquisition, exchange and conservation easement packag=
e
has been jointly developed by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, the Fore=
st
Service, and the Church Universal and Triumphant.  This area proposed for=

exchange is located near the Northern entrance to Yellowstone National
Park.  The Forest Service would give the Church Universal and Triumphant
1,000 acres in exchange for 1,850 acres of conservation easement property=
=2E
The area that the Forest Service is considering for exchange is located
next to Mol Heron Creek, which is prime grizzly bear habitat.  This land
swap will destroy critical habitat for the grizzly bears that make the
Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem their home.

What about the "Citizen's" Alternative?
Management techniques that the DEIS mandates would domesticate the buffal=
o
and cause genetic loss to the herd.  Alternative 3 in the DEIS, known as
the "citizen's alternative," was developed by representatives from huntin=
g
and livestock interests, with input from a few conservation groups and th=
e
Inter Tribal Buffalo Cooperative (a tribal organization concerned with
repopulating buffalo herds on tribal lands).  This "citizen's alternative=
"
is a combination of capture, test, slaughter, quarantine, creation of
"special management areas", and hunting--all management techniques at odd=
s
with the purpose of action "to maintain a wild, free-ranging population o=
f
buffalo."

The agencies' preferred alternative states that it "involves many unknown=
s
and assumptions about future conditions and available tools to manage the=

buffalo population."  This "preferred alternative" makes it difficult to
understand exactly what kind of management operations could take place.
Both of these plans are not acceptable and would be worse than the curren=
t
Interim Buffalo Management Plan.  All the management plans in the DEIS
would put a population limit on the amount of buffalo allowed in
Yellowstone National Park.  The purpose of the DEIS was not to decide
population limits, and this type of a management tool will not ensure tha=
t
the buffalo are a wild free-ranging population.  This population cap
presently is not used in the Buffalo Interim Plan, so the effects are
unknown, but would prove to be deadly.

The Welfare Cowboy
"The federal government charges the bargain rate of $1.35 per animal unit=

month, as opposed to $15 for grazing on nearby private lands.  The
remainder of the costs to administer the grazing program are borne by
federal taxpayers," states Christian Sinderman with Taxpayers for Common
Sense.  He also goes on to add, "This frank assessment leads to questions=

about why the government is spending millions slaughtering wildlife to
protect subsidized cattle that are exposed to little risk...taxpayers pay=

to herd and corral wildlife, while domestic cattle enjoy their subsidized=

home on the range."

Use of Inappropriate Management Tools
The management techniques mentioned below are used in the various
alternatives in the DEIS.  We think that the following management tools a=
re
unnecessary or unethical when used on buffalo:

* quarantine facilities--buffalo would be kept in facilities for up to fo=
ur
years and then hopefully released to designated tribal members;
* visual impacts--buffalo would be tagged and marked with a peroxide stri=
p;
* capture facilities--buffalo would be lured with hay to the facility and=

hauled off to slaughter houses for the sale of the meat, hides, heads, et=
c.
The revenue from this would go back to the DOL;
* hazing--the use of cracker barrels (shooting firecrackers out of a rifl=
e)
and helicopters would be used to move buffalo long distances in a short
amount of time.  Used mostly during spring time, this has an adverse impa=
ct
on pregnant females that are ready to birth.  Disturbs grizzly bears in t=
he
spring when they are emerging from hibernation;
* hunting--there is no such thing as a "fair chase" buffalo hunt.  Huntin=
g
is not the issue here;
* population control--the amount of buffalo in Yellowstone National Park
alone would be limited to an arbitrary number far below the natural
carrying capacity, threatening the genetic diversity of the herd;
* adverse impacts on wildlife--this includes all endangered, threatened, =
or
sensitive species:  grizzly bears, wolves, ungulates, bald eagles,
trumpeter swans.


What can we do?

Support Plan B, the Buffalo's Alternative
The Ecology Center supports Plan B, the Buffalo's Alternative.  Plan B is=
 a
biologist's alternative that preserves the genetic diversity of the herd,=

treats them as wildlife, puts them under the management of wildlife
experts, and gives the buffalo priority over cattle on public lands.  Thi=
s
plan will ensure that the future of the herd as the nation's last remaini=
ng
free-roaming herd is not put in jeopardy.  This is not just a plan to
compromise and watch the cattle industry once again win the battle over
wildlife. Plan B:

* obviates any killing or confining of buffalo.
* allows for buffalo to roam freely in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem.=

* does not limit the size or movement of the buffalo herd.
* does not accept that the livestock industry has the expertise or the
directive to manage the nation's wildlife-Buffalo.
* is based on science, not politics.
* advocates scientific risk management.
* respects the cultural concerns of Native Americans with strong ties to
buffalo.
* insists on taking only those actions demonstrated to be cost-effective.=

* ensures that buffalo receive preference over livestock on public lands.=

If conflict exist between wildlife and livestock on these lands, remove
livestock, not buffalo, from these areas.
* modifies Montana's "zero tolerance" policy to one more consistent with
modern disease management, i.e., adopt scientifically-based levels of ris=
k.

**Please contact us if you would like a complete copy of Plan B or
information to distribute on Plan B**
**Check out the website at:  http://www.wildrockies.org/PlanB/

**Send your written comments on the DEIS that will be accepted until
October 16, 1998.  Request a summary of the DEIS to Sarah Bransom,
Interagency Bison Management Plan, DSC-RP, P.O. Box 25287, Denver, CO
80225-0287 (303)969-2310.  Also submit your comments on line and view a
summary of the DEIS at:  http://www.nps.gov/planning/yell/eis/summary.htm=


Talking Points


=85 Allow bison to roam free
=85 This is the largest and longest free-roaming buffalo herd in North Am=
erica
=85 Allow buffalo to occupy their traditional winter ranges outside Yello=
wstone
=85 No quarantine facilities
=85 No Special Management Areas (SMAs)

=85 Manage brucellosis, not buffalo
=85 Vaccinate cattle first.
=85 Study brucellosis in all Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem wildlife popul=
ations
=85 Accept scientifically based risk-management of brucellosis instead of=

zero tolerence and eradication

=85 Allow natural processess to control herd size
=85 No artificial population caps
=85 Hunting is not necessary

=85 Treat buffalo like wildlife, not cattle
=85 Buffalo have complex social and family structures
=85 Traditional knowledge of migration and winter feeding grounds are los=
t
when buffalo are confined
=85 Shift management of buffalo in Montana from the Department of Livesto=
ck
to the Department of Fish Wildlife and Parks

=85 Give preference to buffalo over cattle on public grazing lands outsid=
e
Yellowstone.
=85 Acquire critical buffalo winter range
=85 manage existing grazing allotments for wildlife, not cattle

=85 Redo the DEIS, or issue a Supplemental EIS
=85 Its actions do not follow its purpose and need
=85 has flawed assumptions
=85 does not have a true no-action alternative
=85 does not have a full range of alternatives
=85 The management tools proposed in the DEIS would domesticate the
Yellowstone Buffalo.

meghan fay
p.o. box 7941
missoula, montana 59807
(406)327-1209 phone/fax
meghan@wildrockies.org

 Stop the slaughter of the Yellowstone Buffalo,
   submit your comments on the DEIS now!!
     Sign on to the BUFFALO ALTERNATIVE
     http://www.wildrockies.org/PlanB/

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:05:04 -0700
From: "Bloechl, Sharen Rund" <sharen.rund.bloechl@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: [CH] source for habaneros

I guess I'd check with the local Farmer's Markets or go down to the SF
market - do you have a favorite restaurant you go to? Ask them where they=

buy theirs!

Sharen Rund Bloechl

Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems
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        ----------
        From:  DON_DILLON@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com
[SMTP:DON_DILLON@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com]
        Sent:  Thursday, July 23, 1998 9:34 AM
        To:  chile-heads-digest@globalgarden.com
        Subject:  [CH] source for habaneros


        Can anybody help me locate a source for qauntities of habaneros
        in the northern california area?

        thanks
        =


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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:34:30 +0000
From: Paul Richards <paular@zoo.co.uk>
Subject: [CH] Spices & hot countries, pepper ID

Bit late on this thread, but wasn't it the Spanish or Portugese who after=

"discovering" them in the Americas, introduced Chiles to the Asian
countries? I know that the Thai's used large quantities of black pepper i=
n
their food before chiles were available. Supposedly the use of hot spices=

was to cool the body down.

Thing I don't understand,is why the Spanish didn't attempt to introduce
them to Europe? Although having said that, the Spaniards grow a variety o=
f
mild chiles, & the Italians use chiles, the Hungarians grow Paprika. Hmm.=

So I guess what I was saying, is why didn't they get to the UK?

On a differnt topic, has anyone heard of or encountered "Bengali Naga"
peppers? They are as hot as any Habenero I've yet tried. They are sold
green (it strikes me that Indians don't like to use fresh red chiles),
although the shop where I bought them have a cheap basket of ones that ar=
e
turning orange. They have thin stems like a hab, but the fruit is more
narrow & elongated. The aroma is familiar & fruity but the heat leaves yo=
ur
mouth numb. The same shop sells what appear to be small plants of this
variety - & they look more like an ordinary chile plant, lacking the wide=

leaves of a Habenero. Also got a jar of these peppers in crushed form. It=
's
a bright green paste with seeds visible, & the only other ingredients are=

lemon juice, vinegar & salt. I am waiting to try them as soon as I have
emptied the fridge of hot sauces & marinades (my flat mates moan at the
space they take up!)

T'ra
Paul

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:14:23 -0700
From: "mfreie" <mfreie@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Mole

Better be careful! - This is a little too commercial for this group!
- ----------
From: John Lilly <John.C.Lilly-1@ou.edu>
To: Chile-Heads@globalgarden.com
Subject: [CH] Mole
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 8:48 AM

Hi everyone,

Thank you to everyone who responded to my question regarding the Ibarra
chocolate.  Now that my peppers have arrived, I have everything I need
to make the mole negro Oaxaqueno.  If I have time, I will be making it
this weekend.  I could be wrong, but it look like an all-day affair.  In
case any body is interested, I ordered the chilhuacle negros (along with
several varieties of chipotles) from:

Tierra Vegetables
13684 Chalk Hill Road
Healdsburg, CA 95448
707-837-8366

Their web site is http://www.tierravegetables.com. =


Standard disclaimer - No affiliation with the company.  I am just a
satisfied customer.

John "dreaming of black mole" Lilly

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:47:58 -0700
From: "Marilyn.Ceranski" <Marilyn.Ceranski@wcomwireless.com>
Subject: RE: [CH] Last Chance for Yellowstone's Wild Buffalo--Support Pla=
n B

And this has to do with Chile Heads, how?!!!!!!

Just say no to spam!!!!!!!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meghan Fay [SMTP:meghan@wildrockies.org]
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 1998 9:46 AM
> To:   jgatchell@desktop.org
> Subject:      [CH] Last Chance for Yellowstone's Wild Buffalo--Support
> Plan B
> =

> We need some intelligent, well thought out comments sent in.
> Thanks- sg
> =

> =

> The Ecology Center, Inc.
> 801 Sherwood, Suite B
> Missoula, MT 59802
> (406) 728-5733
> (406) 728-9432 fax
> ecocenter@wildrockies.org
> =

> Ecology Center Position Paper on the DEIS for Buffalo Management
> =

> July 22, 1998
> =

> Dear Friends of the Buffalo:
> =

> =

        < manual "snip" performed>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:09:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Wright <dtwright@texas.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] Mole

I don't understand why you write that. We often have "satisfied customer"=

messages so we can spread the word about the good stuff that's out there.=


David

At 09:14 AM 7/23/98 -0700, mfreie wrote:
>Better be careful! - This is a little too commercial for this group!

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:13:48 +0000
From: shadow1@pioneer.net
Subject: Re: [CH] Re: Chile hydroponically

hi mark ..I am also known as mark and strange enough I have also =

just started my own hydroponics unit. I have also have some pics in =

the works but they are not ready yet. I looked at your unit and it is =

much more elaboret than mine. I set mine up for about $35 dollars and =

was amazed at the rapid growth that took place and that is still =

taking place in the first 3 weeks of planting some starts in the unit =

my plants have almost grown to four times the size boy was I amazed =

I am currently using a version of the flood drain  unit for =

circulation I used a submersable fish tank pump and a small =

inexpensive fish tank bubbler. as with yours I am able to enjoy the =

long light hours available with the indoor hydroponics units and the =

one aspect that I really like with the unit is that you have no mess =

from the dirt and when you need to change the ph ( with mine is =

almost never) the change is almost imediate unlike dirt where you =

have to wait to check the ph and then tinker with it to get it close =

to 6.5 ph. well thats about it for today. =

happy growing =

may el grande always smile upon you and the diablo winds never visit =

you. =

hot regards =

also mark =

chile head gonabe =

mark roache =

corvallis oregon =


Hi

I'm new to hydroponics myself.  I'm currently starting (I live in
Australia) my chiles inside using a flood and drain tray setup under a
400 watt son t agro lamp that's on for 14 hours a day.  I have a few
pictures of my chile starting setup at:
http://members.xoom.com/mjdodgson
under the "Hydroponics" link.
I'm planning on growing my chiles to maturity outside using a non
recycling setup utilising the "smart valve".  This valve works by
connecting to a nutrient tank and "feeds" the valve by gravity via a
thin poly tube.  Once the level of nutrient has reached a depth of
30mm (1 1/6 inch), the valve shuts of the nutrient flow.  The valve
only opens again once the nutrient level is almost depleted, thus the
plant roots aren't constantly saturated and oxygen deprived.  I think
the best part about this setup is that the smart valve uses no
electricity.  I'll probably put together a few single channel 15cm
deep x 15cm wide x several meter long lengths each utilising one smart
valve, all connected to one nutrient tank (probably a big rubbish
bin).  I've got some granulated growool to use in one length, and I'll
get some grow rock to use in one, and some perlite/permiculite in
another as an experiment.
I'll let the list know how the experiment goes once the season proper
gets going, several months from now.
Bye for now
=3D=3D
Mark Dodgson
Mark's Mostly Chile Page =

http://members.xoom.com/mjdodgson/
mailto://mjdodgson@yahoo.com
icq#:11248266

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:58:50 +1200
From: Tony Flynn <flynnt@ellconweb.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [CH] Hot Sauce Tasting contest, part 2

Curt Snyder, Hot's Desire wrote:
> =

> A continuation of the bit yesterday on the hot sauce tasting. The guy
> who
> downed a shotglass of Blair's 2AM sauce called into the radio program
> again today. He's a painter and had left after the radio show to go to
> work. At some point during the show, he managed to get a little bit of
> the
> hot sauce on his hand. Which he then wiped on his pants. Apparently he
> showed up at someone's house to paint it and had to borrow his shower
> to
> get the burning to quit. There were several times during the day when
> he
> felt sick. Then he went home after work, drank a beer. Within seconds
> he
> began having cramps, was sweating furiously and finally his whole body
> began twitching (by this time he's laying on the bathroom floor). He
> recovered within a few minutes and was fine after that. Sounds like
> some
> peoples reaction to The Bread....
> =


I sincerely hope that "Luke the Painter of Oz" Dos'nt react in this
un-CH like manner when giving demo's of hot sauce slurping <BG>

Tiny Flynn

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:25:05 -0400
From: "John Benz Fentner, Jr." <jbenz@courant.infi.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] Spices & hot countries, pepper ID

Paul Richards wrote:

> Thing I don't understand,is why the Spanish didn't attempt to introduce=

> them to Europe? Although having said that, the Spaniards grow a variety=
 of
> mild chiles, & the Italians use chiles, the Hungarians grow Paprika. Hm=
m.
> So I guess what I was saying, is why didn't they get to the UK?

 The Spanish and Portuguese brought chiles back and spread them around wi=
th
their subject nations and trading partners in the 15th and 16th centuries=
=2E..a
time when they weren't real popular with the Brits. (Think Armada).

Other than that, it's a lot harder to grow chiles in Northern Europe, Eng=
lish
culture was mostly Germanic and Scandinavian rather than Mediterranean an=
d,
naturally, they were busy assimilating the stuff they got from their own =
empire

like corn (maize), turkeys and Maple Syrple. They picked up a chiles quic=
k
enough when they got the opportunity but it was by way of their later imp=
erial
endeavors in India and SE Asia.

JB
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John Benz Fentner, Jr.
Unionville, Connecticut, USA
http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/
"Lex Non Favet Delicatorum Votis"
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:30:29 EDT
From: Naughyde@aol.com
Subject: [CH] The Firehouse in Dallas

What's the scoop on The Firehouse in Dallas?  Good food?  Hot food?  What=
 to
order - tia - Erica naughyde@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:25:09 -0500
From: "Robert Farr, Chile Man" <rbfarr@erols.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Re: Chile hydroponically

Do any of you hydroponic growers have an idea of production costs from =

hydroponics?  How much more expensive than traditional growing, how much =

are you spending to get how many peppers, etc.?

TIA,

Robert.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:26:11 -0500
From: spark@coax.net (Mark Anderson)
Subject: Re: [CH] Vodka

Pieters, Rob (NL01) wrote:

> Lately I've tasted one with a kind of mirror effect in front there was =
a
> circle where you had to look though bottle to see the a photo and the
> brand name what was on the back, it was an absolute topper...

That would be Belvedere--- Mmmmmm Tasty!
Good eating and drinking everyone!
MA

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