While chiles do not figure in medieval cooking (for obvious historical reasons), a couple of CHs responded to the recent thread, posting it to the entire list. Assuming we're all interested in cooking (well, DUH!), I will risk the wrath of CH-purists and try to answer their questions. (if this bothers anyone, let me know, off-list, and I will cease and desist participating in such off-topic discussions). Rain wrote: >They also spiced things heavily, I'm told, to cover up the taste of >the imperfect preservation of a lot of their meat, and perhaps to keep >meats from going further off. Most of us would agree that we choose to eat spicy foods because we like them, not because we have to. It is somewhat insensitive of us to assume that people who lived in the middle ages were less interested in their food than we are. The assumption that they ate badly preserved meat disregards some fundamental features of the medieval diet. First, meat was rarely eaten by the common folk. They did have meat on special feast days or when they could obtain small game (large game was reserved for the nobility -- and poaching was often punishable by death). Small game was less subject to spoilage, as it was eaten all at once. The few times the poor could get get meat from larger animals, the meat would be eaten together with extended families or even the whole community. Medieval peasants led a life of feast and famine -- and tended to eat everything that was available, when it was available. No leftovers to spoil. The poor would never have had access to spices, anyway -- so we need to look at the eating habits of the wealthy. The rich could have meat anytime -- indeed, the highest ranking individuals would rarely eat anything but meat (in some ways the eating of meat was one of the things that defined status -- just as the consumption of costly spices did). The middle ages did not have much of a middle class -- capitalism was just beginning to develop -- so most wealthy individuals tended to be part of the nobility. Mealtime in their courts was a metaphor for their social structure. Vast amounts of food were prepared and served to the ranking personages first. Whatever was left over was fed to the next group below them, and again to the next lower ranked group, until everyone in the court (including the servants) were fed. The meat they ate was fresh -- and again, no left-overs to spoil. Recent research has pointed out the connection between consumption of spices and reduced risk of food poisoning -- but the research was focussed on cultures in hot climates, where spoilage occurs rapidly. Medieval England was not then, nor is it now, blessed with a tropical climate. Spices preserved social structures, not food, in northern medieval times. To test this idea, consider the following: The New World was discovered, by accident, as a result of the medieval preoccupation with spices. Europe had long been held, economically, hostage to Islamic traders who kept the routes to spice-bearing places well-guarded, in both senses: they were secret and militarily defended. The motivating force behind the Age of Exploration was an attempt to break that Eastern cartel's grip on the spice market. Once they were successful, the price of spices plummeted. Former luxuries became cheap commodities. In becoming democratized (in the sense that anyone could now afford them), spices lost most of their value as status symbols. As a result, European cooking dropped its heavily-spiced style of cooking in favor of a cuisine that emphasized the original flavors of the main ingredients. The fact that the medieval penchant for highly spiced foods was abandoned, some 400 years before refrigeration was invented, would seem to invalidate the idea that spices were used to cover the taste of rotting meat. Chipotle Coyote wrote: >I recall reading that in Medieval cooking the use of sweeting (through >fruits I would imagine) in main dishes was much more common than it is >today. Can you verify that? Yes -- the medieval palate craved sweetness, and indulged it whenever it could. The distinct boundary between sweet and savory that characterizes British ideas about eating today (and, to some extent, is still observed in the American diet) did not exist in the Middle Ages. Cane sugar was obtained from the same Arabic merchants who delivered spices. It, too, was precious -- and its place in the diet was much the same as that of spices. Fruits were, as you suggest, commonly combined with meats. When sugar became a cheap commodity (due to the slave-powered plantations in the Caribbean), like spices, it began to take a less prominent place in the diet of the wealthy. This, to us, odd combination of sweet accompaniments with meat is a throw-back to medieval eating habits. When are food traditions most carefully observed today? When are we least likely to alter the eating habits of our ancient forbears? On important occasions, when we celebrate old rituals. No one ever wants to change a thing about the Thanksgiving dinners they have eaten since their youth. The roasted Thanksgiving turkey -- served with cranberries -- and possibly sweetened yams -- is a perfect example. Remember, also, that first Thanksgiving was closer to the Middle Ages than to our times -- and eating habits changed more slowly then than they do today. According to Lévi-Strauss, roasted meats are always eaten on special occasions, or when a show of status is required. In western tradition, only roasted meats are normally served with a sweet: leg of lamb with mint jelly, glazed ham with pineapple, or roast duck with orange or cherry sauce. While they are not always holiday meals, they are generally reserved for special occasions. Much of this is changing, now that eating customs from around the world are influencing our diet. We traditionally keep the sweet for last (except as noted above) -- but the Chinese, for example, try to keep a balance between the four tastes in each course. A dish like Sweet and Sour Shrimp reflects a totally different conception of the function of ingredients and flavors than almost anything in western gastronomy -- at least since the end of the Middle Ages. Gary ("Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." Last words of Pancho Villa)