Dividing those numbers out brings them a little more in line. Sure is a GREAT differing of numbers here. Mo Hotta, Mo Betta which also claims to use HPLC for measuring the heat of the sauces in their catalaog, doesn't even have Dave's cracking 50,000. What is needed is a central 'sanctioning' group like ASTA. As Calvin also notes, it IS a matter of individual taste as well. I've a friend who munches my Red Savina like candy but nearly had apoplexy when eating one of my Thais. I, on the other hand, can eat the Thais with little discomfort but wouldn't even THINK of chomping on one of my Reds. Ain't life mysterious? :-) -Jim c MWPH