"willows are so prolific that soaking branch cuttings in water will infuse into the water" Erich, I have used that technique to root difficult woody stems, but not chiles so far. I can't be sure that it was the cause of success, causality is such a difficult issue. But, like chicken soup, it can't hoit. Can you imagine a lister deleting post about Ch.Ds growing chiles? Now really! Gareth the ChileKnight