Cameron Begg indicated that he triple-froze/thawed a bag of chiles to make a mash, then noted the product was rather runny and wanted suggestions of thickeners. With the benefit of 20-20 hindsight it looks like repeated freeze-thaw cycles drew the water out of the pulp including water of hydration of any proteins and carbohydrates present. This collapsed their structure just as effectively as heat-denaturation. Once dehydrated, they probably could not re-hydrate with exactly the same structure as they had before. This seemed to be the case even after salting and fermentation. Therefore, it appears any natural gel-forming proteins, pectins or other carbohydrates present that could have formed gels to promote thickening were inactivated. Also, formation of ice crystals can also deform structures within the cell. This includes rupture of cell walls as well as membranes holding enzymes which could further degrade any molecules capable of giving any thickening. While heating can remove the zing as Cameron rightly points out, a process that involves grinding and slow heating will preserve hydrated structure. The preservation of hydrated structure appears to give (remember this is 20-20 hindsight working!) the best chance of yielding a thickened mash. Where can he go from here? Xanthan gum was suggested; a little of this goes a long way, and has the advantage of not requiring heat to form it. The only problem is then one of biological preservation, that is, getting the pH low enough. His fermentation should achieve that. Pectins might work, but they need heat and sugar addition to work properly. Good luck, Cardinal! George