In a message dated 10/10/00 10:30:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill.jernigan@juno.com writes: << sir gareth...i fear your derision is ill placed. >> Sorry Bill, Was agreeing with you, and the derision was aimed at those who've caused you to have to defend warm containers of pickles (like the kosher dills I've been fishing out of warm barrels for forty years). It was an "I'm with Bill." I should have made that clearer. Gareth (I just want the botulism "scares" to stop, since once upon a time I helped to keep it alive by not listening to Cameron)