I've heard the same story from inventors of useful products. How in bloody hell do people get their inventions or products on the market? You have to be rich to start with. My friend was charged $100 a month or something like that for hanging space near the cash registers at KMart. And Sears ordered a thousand electric heaters from him, saying up front they wouldn't pay him for six months. Just think of the alternative products out there that can't get a place on the shelves, but you'd like much better than what they do have. This is the contorted view of competition that retailers and wholesalers know and love. It ain't what they teach in schools.. But I think they'll sing a different tune when online sales begin to hurt them.Margaret L Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:25:21 -0500 From: "wildpepper.com" <jim@wildpepper.com> Subject: Re: [CH] $$$ Hooray for you Peter! Sorry to jump on this one late, but I've been out of town for the weekend. A post on that later.... Another thing that happens is that the larger retailers demand something they call a 'slotting fee' (we would call it 'extortion') for those prime shelf locations. When, as a small producer, I approach them about placing my stuff in their stores, they typically ask 'how much do you believe in your prodcut?' That's their lead-in for demanding money up front for shelf space. That's only the start.... Another racket that causes me to charge way more than I would like to is that most large retailers also work it like a giant consignment sale. For instance, they order a pallet of sauce from me. I pay to produce it & ship it to their warehouse. Do they pay for it yet? Not on your life! They don't even claim ownership of it yet for if their 'top gun fork truck jockey' sticks the forks throuh the pallet, I'm commanded to remove the damaged product and replace it- at MY expense!! Yet another ploy used by retailers and distributors is to (in addition to everything else) assess an 'advertising fee' or 'promotion fee'. It goes like this: we're going to proudly feature your sauce in our upcoming newspaper insert since Cinco de Mayo is approaching. Oh, BTW, if you want us to feature yours, instead of brand X, you need to pay us to cover the cost of the advertising AND since it is on sale, you need to lower your price to us. It goes on and on..... As Peggy also mentioned, economy of scale comes into play as well. I'm You also have to remember that I don't see as much as HALF of that $7 you are charged either! Most all retailers calculate they need a 50% to 70% mark up to cover their costs (utilites, rent, labor, samples, taxes, etc). Distributors most often request a 20% mark up and wholesalers at least 10%. - -Jim C Mild to Wild