In a message dated 6/3/01 10:23:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, macknet@pacbell.net writes: << Who is responsible for the unintended consequences of such private property trespass...the property owner or the pet owner? >> Perhaps both to a degree. The property owner has the obligation to use his chemical judiciously, not only for others pets, but also for birds and other wild critters, but the pet owner has a greater responsibility to accept the consequences for allowing his pets to wander. In the same way a parent has greater responsibility for his own children. It would be nice to be able trust everyone else, but you simply cant. If you have free-ranging cats specifically to control rodents, I would not get attached to them. Their life expectancy would be probably low for many reasons. If I had a cat that was a loved pet however, I would keep it totally indoors, or build an enclosure for it(them) as I have done for my own two beloved cats. A simple metal wire fenced area 5 feet high, with no solid wood posts (thin metal stakes) or adjacent trees to climb does a wonderful job. My cats have been indoor-outdoor (but only in their large enclosure -- my veggie garden) for more than 3 years and have never been able to figure out how to climb over the see-through wire fencing. They are not brain deficient either. They never go into anyone else's yard, and I dont worry that they'll get accidentally poisoned, nor that the local coyotes will eat them. Not only does this wire enclosure keep my cats in, it keeps neighborhood cats out. Hence I say its more my responsibility for them. While I would like others to be responsible, that is sometimes not possible. So if I like my pets and want nothing to happen to them, and I do, I dont trust their safety to anyone else but me. Does the fact my kitties sleep under the mature chile forest in the summer make this 'on topic'? Meconella