Hi C-H's, I've been watching this off topic discussion and willing myself not to get into it, but with replies from Mary-Anne (it's "papain" M-A.) Brent T and now Brother JIm appearing I cannot resist. << I was always under the impression that the bayleaf was poisonous which is why you were supposed to remove it before serving your dish. >> The leaves contain small amounts of cyanide. Not enough to do any harm to a human in the quantities normally eaten, but the crushed leaves are used by butterfly collectors in a closed vessel to kill the insects with relaxed muscles so that they are easy to mount. List cop, chile picking slave driver, brewer and trivia meister. Well, one at least is useful. -- --- Regards, Cameron.