I agree with the use of black pepper and that fresh ground is the only way to go. I use lots for the same reason I use all of the other herbs and spices that are in my cupboard. Black pepper isn't supposed to be a substitute for hot chilies. It's flavor is that of black pepper. That's why I use lots of it. I too have one of those Frugal Gourmet Turkish coffee grinders that I use for pepper. Sorry to break it to ya but it's not at all rare nor very expensive. It's available in many different cooking stores as well as in many different cooking supply catalogs that I've seen over the years. If you're being offered all of that money for it you should take it. You'll have no problem replacing it for under $50 U.S. and turn a tidy profit. They also make some slightly different varieties with wider bases. I really like mine but I've knocked it over hundreds of times. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Irvine <dougandmarie@shaw.ca> To: Mike Shimek <mike@dmfarms.com> Cc: <chile-heads@globalgarden.com> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [CH] Black Pepper, why??? > Mike....I use all of the various chile peppers dried, the ones I grow, > and the ones I get from some of these other Heads....BUT I also use a > Turkish coffee grinder, which we keep filled with black pepper corns, > and we use that liberally(is that different from Republicanly?)as well > as the ground chile powders. They all have a different flavour which > adds to our food, and I would never be without our freshly ground black > pepper! I am fortunate in having this old grinder, which is identical to > the one that Smith, the Frugal Gourmet used on his show. I happened to > find one in an antique shop, and bought it for $75.00 Cdn. I have turned > down twice that for it. It is brass, and polishes up really well, and > has Arabian dancing girls etched into the brass, at least 19th century! > Works like new, however! Cheers, Doug in BC A Merry Christmas to All, > and to All, a Good Night! >