Something I've mentioned in years past - there are some ketchup-like sauces from the Phillipines and elsewhere, some based on bananas instead of tomatoes, and with varying degrees of heat. Go to a good Asian market if you can, and gamble the price of a bottle or two to experiment. As for the "can't be too much garlic" view, I agree, except eating whole raw cloves is IMHO more intense than eating many kinds of whole fresh chiles. - A _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp