To Rob, Apology accepted, as per our direct email communications. No matter that you still think Macs suck and I still think Windows sucks. Life shall continue. I hope to hear from you off-list in response to the email I sent Wednesday. As to your query about I.E., I use Netscape 7. To all others: Back to El Grande. What are everyone's plans for your holiday dinner? Are chiles involved? While we'll be having a standing rib roast, one of the side dishes will be chipotle cranberry relish, a big favorite around here. I've also been playing with adding chipotles to sweet potatoes. Starwind -- "The joy that you give to others is the joy that comes back to you." -- JG Whittier