At 01:17 PM 1/9/2003 -0800, you wrote: >I apologize for the list if anyone thought I was spamming. Craig, You obviously didn't see the disclaimer when you joined the list; the one that says "we don't take too kindly to outsiders". OK, well if it's not there, it should be. I'm afraid you'll find the thinking on the list to be rather provincial, and the social dynamics quite cliquish. It's best to just lurk in the background until you've ascertained who does and does not know what they're talking about, and then converse with them privately. If you go so far as to state an opinion on anything, you risk starting a flame war. If you're not careful in what you say, you'll suffer threats of personal violence from Mr. YEEHAW AHHH OOOH hot sauce, whatever his name is. Oh, and if you are a competing vendor, you're a spammer. Welcome to the list!! Rob K http://www.thelash.com Celtic Mayhem From America