This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BE771670D970938A86D4BF9B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an answer from a Dutch friend of mine on another list. to your question, Rob. --------------BE771670D970938A86D4BF9B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <sentto-459467-35660-1049105396-porch=mts.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Received: from mx3b.mts.net ([205.200.16.59]) by msg1.mts.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HCLYWM00.BEB for <porch@mts.net>; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:09:58 -0600 Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by mx3b.mts.net (8.12.8/8.11.3) with SMTP id h2VA5Ef8005926 for <porch@mts.net>; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:05:14 -0600 (CST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-459467-35660-1049105396-porch=mts.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2003 10:09:56 -0000 X-Sender: wvdveen1@worldonline.nl X-Apparently-To: GlobalConnections@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 31 Mar 2003 10:09:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 8845 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 10:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2003 10:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep13-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 10:09:53 -0000 Received: from erasmus5uktbz5 ([80.56.166.69]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with SMTP id <20030331100952.YNWJ6867.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@erasmus5uktbz5> for <GlobalConnections@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:09:52 +0200 Message-ID: <005501c2f76d$af30c4a0$45a63850@erasmus5uktbz5> To: <GlobalConnections@yahoogroups.com> References: <000b01c2f647$0e9434e0$b3a632d4@g2m7n8> <007501c2f6b5$030b9780$0200a8c0@arnhem.chello.nl> <4.3.2.7.2.20030330134843.00ad73f0@mail.comcast.net> <3E877854.D8303633@mts.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Wob van der Veen" <wvdveen1@worldonline.nl> X-Yahoo-Profile: wvdveen1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list GlobalConnections@yahoogroups.com; contact GlobalConnections-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list GlobalConnections@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:GlobalConnections-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:09:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [GC] Re: [CH] Hot Cheese Reply-To: GlobalConnections@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > > Hi, Anita > > I do agree that the Dutch do not generally add other ingredients to their cheeses. They rely on the AGE of the cheeses for increased sharpness, instead. The older the cheese, the less fat it will contain, and the sharper the flavor becomes. A very mild cheese will be indicated as a "40+" cheese, meaning that it contains 40% fat. The numbers go down from there, as the sharpness increases. Cheeses of various ages are available, and which one is purchased depends very much on individual taste. A well-know exception is, indeed, a cheese to which cumin seeds have been added, also referred to as "Leyden cheese", as it originated in that city. Leyden cheese, too, comes in various ages. Ans ============= Hi Ans and others, I have to make a few corrections. The cheese vary indeed in fat content. Mostly they contain 48 % but sometimes for diet reasons 30 or 20 %. However, contrary to what you and most people think, it is an indication of the fat content of the dry ingredients of cheese. For example: young cheese contains appr. 40% water and 60% other ingredients. Of these 60% there is 48% fat and 52% proteins and salts. In other words young cheese contains 48% of 60% is 28,8% fat. When cheese ages, is looses water and the water content may even get as low as 20%. The percentage fat on the rest is still 48% which means that the so called old cheese contains .48 x 80 is 38,4% fat. For the same reasons the percentage of salt increases with age which makes the old cheese taste salter. You may remember the very old cheese where even salt granulates on the outside. I hope you could follow my complicated explanation. I went to Albert Heijn this morning, the largest supermarket chain in this country. I wanted to give our members an indication of what we have to offer on Dutch cheese but there are too many. I just give a few names: Gouda (the most popular one), Leiden (indeed only available with cumin), Edam, Maasland, Leerdammer, Old Amsterdam, Kollummer. Almost all of them in different ages from very young to very old. Personally I like Dutch old cheese with cloves from Friesland. In Dutch "Oude Friese kruidnagelkaas". Wob For whom a day is not complete without having eaten a chunk of cheese ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/r1FolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: GlobalConnections-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------BE771670D970938A86D4BF9B--