Hi Myron I will not bore the list further. On 19 Jun 99 at 17:36, Myron Menaker wrote: I think what I was trying to say that in mans known history is there another example of this blind luck expansion without the knowledge of success ever being able to return to the starting point? I know of no people that simply sent 1000s off to what to them was certain death for none could return. Not only that they sent off the women as well. Not what you would do in the hit and miss blind luck navigation proposed. > Well, the philosophers and mathematicians can fight over this one ad > infinitum! Not required. ;-) > If, over the course of 1000 years, 1000 rafts set sail from South > America and there are 1000's of islands in the Pacific, don't you think > a number of them would have made land-fall!? See above the knowledge never got back because it is a one way trip. > After all, Columbus likewise did not know where the hell he was going, > and his fleet, going wherever the winds carried him, hit a tiny island! Sure but he got back to tell of his discovery and how to get to it. Big difference. The promoters of this type of hit and miss trip ignore the fact that they can work out from present knowledge how it could have been done. This invariably requires a huge degree of contortions in making changes at the exact point in the trip. What they are not saying is that they are not just simply drifting. They do not explain how without this knowledge it was done using luck. On a 2000 mile trip blindfold yourself and hit any large town. I think you will agree that the degree of luck needed is great indeed. > Capsicum Rex works in strange and mysterious ways! Simply that we don't know what really went on at the time. Enjoy the beach Cheers Peter -- Peter Moss "Well, let's just say, 'if your VCR is still blinking 12:00, you don't want Linux'". - Bruce Perens