At 12:49 PM 9/19/97 +0000, you wrote: >Margaret Lauterbach <gardeners@globalgarden.com> wrote: > > >> George, they've had a recent thread running on OGL. I don't know whether >> you're back on there or not. Tony and Moira from NZ are advocating no-till >> flower and veggie beds...put at least 10 sheets of newspaper on top of sod, >> in the configuration you want your bed, water it down then top it off with >> 5 to 6 inches of compost. By spring it will be good to plant in, and you >> don't have the sod removal effort. If you want to wait until >> spring...Best, Margaret > >Are they in cold or warm winter areas or does that even matter? > >Since I'm anticipating being laid up in the near future I'm only >planning to expand 2 beds that need to be deeper rather than putting >in new ones. I've heard this idea being kicked around here and there >and would love to do this if it will work. > >Liz > Liz, Tony and Moira, who are advocating this, are in a warm winter area, notably New Zealand. They know they're advising people who are in cold winter areas, however. I doubt this would work in northern Minn., Alaska or Maine, but I think it will work in Idaho. For instance, leaves we till into the soil in November is pretty well completely composted by March, when we till for spring. I think turf would be dead, and soil softened for planting by that time. Margaret