I was turned on by this thread on the gardens list. Are we all on both? I delete 9 of 10 digests for lack of time but read all of gardeners, given the lighter load, so I thought I'd throw my post in here and see what it brings out in you. Happy New Year Everyone! Haven't even been lurking in a while. Couldn't resist this thread. Planted several things I have particularly regretted ever since: nicandra and sweet annie, spearmint and comfry. Nicandra has blue flowers, which is why I chose it. It's an annual which grows to four feet or more, and while the light blue flowers are pretty, I suspect many grow it for drying the seed pods. Not worth it! Let one to go seed and you'll have nicandra forever, as I do. The same is true of sweet annie. It's wonderful unless you let it get away from you - and who is so efficient? Don't answer that! As for comfry and spearmint, I knew better from reading about them but didn't really understand the terms invasive, pervasive and forever until I grew these devils. The list is actually longer, but have learned to contain certain plants - gooseneck loosestrife, artemesia and the like - so I don't have to give them up because of their bad habits. Others, like lamium and ajuga, I allow to spread everywhere as ground cover, only removing it when I need the spot, but initially, I was dumbstruck at the rapidity with which they took over. Also, BIG mistake was planting trees too close, even when we knew better. Fifteen feet may seem like a lot but it isn't when the trees will spread 20 to 30 ft. Why we ignored such basic things beats me, but we did, despite have the room to do it right; it had something to do with the fact that the trees were 6-12" tall at the time, I suppose. Now a few lovelies will have to be moved or cut down. I don't usually admit to such stupidity but may it save someone else from doing the same. Cheryl Schaefer schaefer @epix.net Zone 5 in the fabulous Finger Lakes of NY