>I've got a question, and anyone might add his or her two cents here. When >you don't know how a particular seed needs to be treated and can't find out >for one reason or another, is there a rule of thumb you follow for first >try, second, etc.? I've got some mystery shrub seeds from Italy that didn't >respond to the ordinary 1/4 in. deep treatment. TIA. Cheryl > >Cheryl Schaefer In the 'Better late than never' Department--------- Cheryl; Our first suspicion would be that the seeds need light to sprout. Very few plants have a 'dark' requirement to germinate, and more than you would intitially suspect, need light to germinate. If you can dig the seeds up, re-plant them by gently pressing them into the soil surface, re-water, and cover with plastic wrap, etc. It is possible to just put the seeds in a coffee filter as well (in a plastic bag)--obviously light would reach them. Depending on the seed's geographic origin, it may need temperature cycling--meaning a re-creation of the conditions present in nature--most notably, that of a Winter cycle. Temperature changes cause chemical germination inhibitors to break down, thus allowing the seed to sprout. You don't say where in Italy the seeds are from, but we would suggest keeping them at room temperature (‰70F) to start with. Be vigilant in monitoring moisture, etc. If the seeds do not germinate in a month's time, you would then put them in the fridge for 3 months--thereby creating a faux Winter cycle. Keep an eye on possible germination, and again, monitor moisture. Our experience has been that any light requirement is met during the 70F phase--so you need not worry about it being dark in the fridge. At the end of the 3 month period, remove the seeds from the fridge, and keep an eye on them. Initially, it would probably be preferable to slowly bring them up to room temp--any sudden changes could rot the seed. A cool window sill (no sun--it might fry them) would do, or, you could even put them outside in a low light area--the natural temperature fluctuations outside generally work very well--and of course, greatly depends on your zone (where are you?). GA-3, chipping of the seed coat, and additional cycling may also be necessary, but without an actual ID on the genus, it would be impossible to say what extra steps might be needed. We recommend starting the seeds in a warm cycle (‰70F) first, and base this on information from the Jelitto Seed catalog. Arrowhead Alpines goes further, explaining that those seeds which ripen early in the season, should have the warm cycle first, and that seeds which ripen late, should get the cold treatment first. Seems logical, but is virtually innapplicable in this case. We have read (but now cannot locate the source for attribution) that it is always 'safer' to start with a short (‰ 2 weeks to a month) warm cycle....apparently, choosing the wrong temp at the start can set up a complex set of germination inhibitions in seeds. The idea of starting with the warm cycle is that at the warmer temps, micro organisms which will help breakdown impermiable seed coats are more easily grown, and therfore help start the germination process. Hopefully, this makes some sense. Bill & Harvey SKID Plants Zone 6 CT USA