Margaret Lauterbach <gardeners@globalgarden.com> wrote: > At 01:21 PM 4/10/98 -0700, you wrote: > >On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Margaret Lauterbach wrote: > >Six, according to my big USDA wall map. What's the average minimum > >winter temp? That gives you the zone. > > > >Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com > > > I know, Kay, but look how many degrees north Lewiston is from Boise, > and no maritime influence. Must be warm currents coming up the > Columbia/Snake that moderate the temp. Margaret It might come as a big surprise but I know how the USDA comes up with their zone designations. We do have strong maritime influence, though not a maritime climate, from the winds coming up the Columbia Gorge. As I'm sure you guys know, that's why Walla Walla and the Tri-cities areas in Washington have such incredibly long growing seasons and such mild winters. At the junction of the Clearwater and the Snake Rivers where I live there are only two significant elevations to the north. There's the river bed elevation that's always zone 7 and there's the Palouse elevation, some 2300 feet higher that is zone 5/6. To the south, my side of the river, there are 3 elevations -- the river bed, Lewiston Orchards where I live that is some 1000 feet above the river and the Camas Praire some 1200 or so feet higher than the Orchards. The Camas Prairie is zone 5/6 and in some places 4. The reason that the old USDA map has zone 7 and the new one has zone 6 is that official temperatures used to be recorded down at the river bed level and are now recorded at the highest elevation. I live between those two points. To illustrate the variations in climate in this area, the river level early spring flowers blooma week or so before they bloom at our house and they bloom about 3 weeks or more later on the Camas Prairie. Our growing season is 20 days shorter than the growing season at river level but 55 days longer than that at the Camas Prairie or Palouse levels. The important part about the elevations is that we recieve some protection from winter colds because we are, to an extent, in a river canyon. As far as Sunset zones go we probably do qualify as a 3. Sunset tends to be more accurate in terms of winter kill, in my experience, than the USDA. We have a fairly high degree of winter kill, higher than one would expect from our temperatures, because of the winter winds blowing down the Snake River Canyon. By the time those winds reach us from the mouth of the Columbia, they have gotten quite dry. Anything exposed to the wind is apt to die from dehydration. So now you know why I am never really sure how to explain what zone I'm in. It's not that I don't know or understand, it's just that the zone designations don't actually mean much in desert areas with rapidly changing elevations. I haven't lived in this house long enough to have enough data to determine what zone my yard is in. Margaret, now you know why we are so different from Boise -- for a long time I wondered why it was so cold in Boise compared to here. Liz