Liz said Karl Lagerfield is a thug.....what about replacing him with one of the David Austin roses? Abrahm Darby is *gorgeous* A small climber that makes a very pretty arching shrub for me. Wonderful fragrance, good disease resisitence, and blooms that are a combination of apricot, yellow, cream, grey, peach. Hard to describe but very beautiful. The only downside I've noticed is that is *really* wants full sun (more than it's getting where I have mine....time to move it again) and that its canes are a tad weak (floppy) for the first season or so. Catharine/Atlanta, zone 7b.