Liz, The main difference in the taste of vegetables that I grow and the ones in the stores even if they are of the same variety is simple. Timing. I can pick my vegetables at the optimum time of ripeness. The grower has to pick, pack and ship. Those vegetables are not going to be picked at maturity, rather at a stage where they are going to survive shipping. To me there is nothing so stupid in the produce dept as a sign that says "vine ripe tomatos" hanging over a bin of grass green tomatos. You are exactly right when it comes to taste being important. Also nutrition is usually linked with freshness and ripeness. I love peaches. Ripe ones that smell like peaches. Not hard green ones. Try fresh corn on the cob that was picked 2 hrs or less before cooking. I am glad that our county extension program is so much different than that I hear about in other states. TAMU even has a web site called AGROPOLIS just for urban and suburban gardeners or small farmers. Check it out sometime. It's different here in Texas. I have two 8" ringed notebooks full of free info just for the asking. Good Stuff. Happy Gardening, Allen Bastrop Co.,Tx Liz Albrook wrote: > Catharine Vinson <gardeners@globalgarden.com> wrote: > > > Ma Pat wrote: > > > > c) That branch of TAMU that trains (note I did not say "educates") > > > County Agenets has lost its appreciation of the fine distinction > > > between Gardeners and Growers. > > > > Where did this unfortunate habit of making a distinction between Gardeners > > and Growers come about? Is it a natural progression of things? The notion > > that taste goes out the window once production and consumption are > > physically separated appears to simplistic to me. > > That's the reason I'd rather consult my horoscope than my county > extension agent about what varieties of fruits and vegetables to > plant. > > Since I live in Idaho let's take potatoes for example. The local > agent suggests exactly those varieties that are carried at the local > nurseries. Those varieties are the same as the varieties sold in the > grocery store, the farmer's market and at truck stands up and down > the state. Why should I plant those varieties of potatoes when they > are plentiful and cheap? Makes no sense. > > Yet, right here in Idaho we can purchase unusual and flavorful > varieties from Ronninger's -- something most of us long time veggie > gardeners know. My agent is never going to recommend that I grow a > fingerling variety or Caribe but they have a taste that the grocery > store varieties. > > I think that over the next 20 - 40 years there is going to be a > backlash against tasteless veggies. Producing food that can > withstand the stress of shipping, machine picking, storing and > processing has been a priority for good reason. We now have many > varieties with excellent productivity that meet those needs. The > next step will be to put flavor back into the equation. Flavor is > going to one day be the edge in what sells and what doesn't. You can > see that this is already the case when it comes to onions -- > Vidalias, Texas Sweets and Walla Wallas sell out rapidly despite the > fact that they have poor storage qualities. People are ready for > veggies that taste good now that they have discovered that veggies > shouldn't be cooked to death. > > I bet Guido would rather have a sauce made with Amish Paste rather > than those horrible Romas. > > Liz