At 07:26 AM 7/21/98 +0000, Liz wrote: >The more I find out about old garden roses the more mystified I am by >the popularity of hybrid teas and floribundas. There are old garden >roses of every size and shape (when was the last time you looked at a >hybrid tea and thought the bush, not the flowers, was lovely and >graceful?), that require almost no pruning, insecticides, fungicides >or fertilizer. It's not that hybrid teas and other modern roses are >bad -- it's that they are fussy. I'm too lazy to keep them. Right you are Liz. I love the OGR's and, a teeny misguided passion for mini roses aside, I wouldn't want to be bothered with any other. My collection includes R. rugosa, R. rugosa alba, Apothecary's (R. gallica 'Officinalis'), a Damask type 'Madame Hardy', and an Alba type (that's actually pink) 'Konigen von Danemark'. If I had the space and the $$ I'd have a million more. I do next to nothing for these roses besides a light pruning back of damaged branches every spring and a shovel load of compost every fall. Even in our climate they usually don't need winter protection. For all that effort I get back a dramatic and beautiful display of *fragrant* roses every June and a nice harvest of rose hips in September. I would definitely recommend you give the OGR's a try Alice, I think you'll be delighted. The only caution I'd give is that the rugosa types will sucker like mad in good garden soil. Containing them can be a problem. Mine grow in a hedge bordered by the house on one side and lawn on the others. I don't bother trying to grow anything else with them. Marianne Southeastern Ontario AgCan zone 5b