Rosemary, With the first "flood" we got five and a half inches of rain in about an hour. I think about six and a half inches total for that day. About a week later (with the ground still wet) we got another three inches in about 45 minutes. The first storm reminded me of a hurricane; there was so much wind and rain. Most of the damage was done to my plants and pond. I still have some very large limbs that I need to chop up, but with the humidity and the 'skeeters' I haven't done much in the way of clean up. A lot of my grass is dead, of course the weeds managed to survive! Luckily there was no major damage to the house, there was a little flooding in an outside storage closet, but that was easy to clean. Know what you mean about getting kicked off the other list, I might end up on 'review' with you! Myra Amler amler@mindspring.com "Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?" Unknown