Betsy & Floyd, here in zone 6, I pinch back the mums until August 15th, and I get a full, thick head of bloom as of now, Oct. 9th. Penny, NY ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]