Chris, it feels like z5 here these days --- the rain has made the grass jump up and yodel, so we'll be out there over the weekend, wind or clouds notwithstanding, doing our thing.. I still have not gathered the precious seeds I wanted to save, shame on me! I have some tall, brilliant red flowers from Brazil which are not available commercially, and which I have to re-propagate each year. And there are some deep pink cleome, darker than those I could find commercially, which I would like to hold on to. My daughter (in a garden apartment!) gave me 16 baby impatiens volunteers to pot up, which I can give away at our Master Gardener Xmas party in December, along with the coleus 'Inky Fingers' and the hoya carnosa 'Shooting Star' cuttings which I have started. It makes things very cheerful to arrive with all this booty! I noticed that the neighbors' 60 ft white pines have suddenly dropped their zillions of needles all over my shrubs. I'll be thinking of you raking as I am -- what do you call it, brushing..? -- off the bushes.. Penny, zone 6, NY ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]