Dear Liz, You are close to the truth for the most part. Most of the manufacturers of commercial mycorrhiza inoculants put together a "cocktail mix" of different species so that there is a good chance that the plant will benefit from one of the mycorrhiza present. According to Dr. Ted St. John, of the tree of life nursery in southern California, a mycologist and one of the commercial manufacturers of mycorrhiza inoculants, in a paper he wrote on soil micro-organizims, the following is an abstract: "Abstract.-- Ecosystem processes are the combined activities of a variety of microorganisms. The most important functional groups include mycorrhizae, nitrogen fixers, decomposers, plant growth promoting rhizobacteria, pathogen-suppressive organisms, builders of soil structure and of protective surface crusts. These organisms do not reliably disperse to the nursery or to a planting site. They require a focused inoculation program from stockpiled top soil or from pre-inoculated plants. Current technology allows introduction of mycorrhizae, nitrogen fixers, and pathogen suppressive organisms. Other functional groups may soon become available commercially." Mycorrhiza spoors can certainly be present in the vacinity of where an inoculated plant was planted previously and they will re-infect a new host plant, but to a lesser degree than adding another charge of inoculant when new plants are planted each year. If the gardener has a practice of tilling the soil each year, then the dispersion of those spores significantly reduces the benefit that can be achieved from residuals from the previous years plants. If you look at the contents of the kinds of mycorrhiza in inoculants from different manufacturers, you will see that most of them are using mixtures containing the same species of mycorrhiza. I'm a results oriented person... not a scientist.... but when I put an inoculant on a plant I just observe that plant's performance. There is performance above ground that is easy to note and there is performance below ground that is more difficult to note. I've set up experiments with plants so that I can observe what is going on with roots as time goes on. What do the roots look like at the end of the first, second, third, fourth etc., weeks? A lot of replication has to be set up to make those observations. When I see the root system of a plant take of with an explosion of very fine root hair structures that normally are not in uninoculated plants.... a process that fits mycorrhiza and not any other micro-organizim, then there is an effect. I don't care which species is causing it... I'm interested in the fact that the results are present in my garden plants. With all of the different plants that I have been fiddling with in my garden, when I see that proliferation of fine root hairs present then I always have seen the above ground results which in general fall into these areas with all of the plants: 1. The plant appears much more healthy. 2. Bugs generally are not a problem with those healthy plants. 3. More is produced by the plant and what is produced is generally earlier and of much higher quality. 4. There always seems to be something else that is observable that has not been noticed in the plant before. When the level of a plants health is increased beyond where we find the highest quality plants (according to non-mycorrhiza nurturing farming practices) there are attributes that have not been observed before... Examples of attributes not seen before: A. Three months after a lawn is inoculated, a dog can pee on the lawn and it will not kill the lawn... no brown spot develops. B. Three weeks after a lawn is inoculated, a 2 foot by 3 foot 1/8 inch sheet of steel plate can be left laying on the lawn for 2.5 days. At the end of that time, lift it up and the grass has not turned yellow. It is as green as the uncovered lawn... just pressed down. Water it for a short while and by the end of the day, you can't tell where the steel plate was laying on the lawn. C. Plant Quinault Everbearing Strawberry plants and use 1/4 teaspoon of the inoculant and those strawberries will produce all summer long such that you will have to pick them twice a week. D. Beefsteak tomato plants were ripe in the first week of August in zone 5. E. A single pear tomato plant became over six feet high, ten feet wide, and three feet in depth and produced tomato's all summer long in zone 5. F. Raspberry plants had a root system that looked like a large root ball two feet wide when dug up and more fine root hyphe hairs were growing out from that further into the ground. G. A 32 inch high 3/4 inch stock green bell pepper plant with 15 peppers on it as a second crop in zone 5... right at the first frost. There are about 7 or 8 companies selling commercial mycorrhiza. What I am trying to do is get people to recognize that THEY can achieve these results... I am not here to sell mycorrhiza to anyone. My purpose in going to all the trouble to write all this up is inform you people who are better gardeners than I that there is a better way and you will be seeing a lot more of this kind of stuff in the market place in the near future. Montsano has invested a million dollars with one of the mycorrhiza manufactures. They are seeing what this stuff can do. What's really interesting about this is YOU don't have to be an expert about this stuff. There are a few simple things to keep in mind that I have been replicating and having a lot of success with. They are no brainer kinds of things that anyone can do. Here's what I have discovered: If you grow plants from seed, mix real dirt in with your potting soil. Don't use any fertilizer before, during, or after you plant. At about 5 weeks use a fertilizer like Biosol 6-1-3. There are other fertilizers you can use, but you have to be very careful not to get the phosphorus level above 1%. You will have the greatest success if you use the soil where the plant will eventually end up. When planting, put about a teaspoon or less of inoculant in the hole and make sure the roots are touching it. Water normally. As the plant grows, avoid disturbing the soil within one foot of your plant. No digging allowed! You will break up a lot of hyphe and lose a lot of benefit from the plants. Fertilize anywhere from 3 to 5 weeks after you have planted. You only need to do that once a year. Water and then go pull weeds if you have any... the mycorrhiza will keep the soil nice and loose. You will notice a lot more worms are present too. Is this the only way? I can't say because I don't know all the combinations that work. I know the above has worked for me in my garden. And I have seen it replicated in a few others.... and all the early girl, beefsteak etc., tomato's sold here in Spokane's zone 5 have gone nuts with this stuff this year. I have been doing my own experiments with this stuff... not that I am any more qualified to do so, but because it is a lot of fun growing different things and seeing big differences in the results I used to get with conventional methods of gardening. Best Regards, Thomas Giannou -----Original Message----- From: Liz Albrook <ealbrook@lewiston.com> To: gardeners@globalgarden.com <gardeners@globalgarden.com> Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [gardeners] Re: Mycorrhiza questions... Margaret Lauterbach <gardeners@globalgarden.com> wrote: > I don't think we all have access to a botanist. At least I don't. > What did yours say? Margaret Mine said that mycorrhiza are specific to species of plants. For example, Don in CA is selling the fungi for use with tomatoes -- he has a strain that will grow and work with tomatoes. It may grow and work with a few other plants, too. But there is no general purpose mycorrhiza that is the answer to everyone's problems or that will work with every plant. The last time I read Don's postings they were testing their strain on many plants but it was sort of a shotgun type approach -- there's no way to predict which plants will form a symbiotic relationship with a particular strain. I have real questions about the usefulness of using any form of these fungi in an organic garden such as yours -- one in which tomatoes are planted in the same location year after year. My own anecdotal experience is that tomatoes replanted year after year in the same soil grow exceptionally well. My guess is that part of that result comes from soil microbes that become established and flourish year after year -- not necessarily just a single type of fungus but a balance of many types of organisms. Liz