Penny, NY zone 6 writes: > Does NE Pennsylvania have many mini-climates, ... Yes it does. I live in the "mountains" outside Wilkes-Barre. We are usually 5 or more degrees cooler on a summer day than the cities in the river valley -- often the difference between needing (or wanting) air-conditioning and not -- but not always. We also get colder in the winter, and gardeners in the valley get their tomatoes in and ripe earlier than we do. We sometimes get more sun though -- some mornings the fog hangs in the valley for hours after it has burned off up here. We don't have reliable snow cover all winter and usually have one or two really cold spells a winter, and as a result I rarely take chances with things that are only hardy to zone 6 -- I stick to zone 5 recommended plants, despite the zone maps. Where in NY are you? I commute to Binghamton two days a week. Peggy Sullivan, whose NGP is off to a conference in MN today -- where I understand winter has arrived