Peggy, we have a son & family in Rochester, NY and a cousin in Reading, so I know the territory. I happen to be 20 miles north of Manhattan, 4 miles from Long Island Sound which means that I have the benefit of the Gulf Stream and much kinder weather than the folks along the Hudson River... I would say that we're a true zone 6. We certainly don't have reliable snow cover all winter -- winter 98 only brought 1 snow storm! Three or four winters ago, of course, we had 18 snow storms -- but very often it would become a sheet of ice covering everything in sight, only NOT completely covering the shrubbery. That meant that all the azalea and rhodie buds were killed above the snow line, altho the shrubs themselves were not. The world was very strange looking that following spring.. Our usual snowy weather occurs about 3-4 times a winter. My biggest winter losses usually are r.purple gem. MN is not exactly where I would like to be today -- the weather man said winds are up at 70mph, and the snow is blanketing. My Chicago daughter and Rochester son should be inheriting this nightmare in a day or so -- and most often, we get it in the end, anyway! Penny, NY ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]